Mozilla Firefox, along with the Gecko browser engine, no longer shows up on the map. - The browser wars are over! Firefox is dead.

Germany, however, seems to be the 1 nation still trying to hold onto Firefox, with a surprising 13%, but that still means the other 87% have moved on.

Thanks to CloudFlare who provides this data in real-time. You can see for yourself here: https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage

The time to switch to a better browser, is now. I suggest, Vivaldi web browser. It is everything, Mozilla Firefox should have been for the past 10 years.

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@Linux It is still based on Googles Chromium, so I don't know.

@hackillu@mas.to It was what the world chose, and sometimes we're just along for the ride.

I recommend, Vivaldi browser, because it is everything Firefox should have been. You can technically keep using Firefox or one of the many soft-forks, such as LibreWolf, Floorp, or Zen, but the reality is your browsing experience will continue to decline going forward, as more developments stop recognizing and supporting, Firefox and the Gecko browser engine. It already has happened with a few government websites not so long ago.

Vivaldi is not own by an advertising company or incorporating cryptocurrency or artificial intelligence. The employees and CEO are friendly and not hateful or discriminatory. It includes a built-in ad blocker, plus they recently added support to ensure uBlock's functionality. Most importantly, it is where a lot of the Firefox users are migrating toward.

@Linux I’m using two, Zen for Gecko and Vivaldi for Chromium.

Firefox is on life support and it makes me worry for forks like Zen. But Zen has been adding features I actually want so I ain’t gonna let anyone gaslight me into using base Firefox.

@Flaky@furry.engineer The problem with Zen is the same problem with Floorp or LibreWolf or any other soft-fork of Firefox along with the Gecko browser engine. They're soft-forks completely dependent on Mozilla Firefox as their upstream, and when Firefox finally goes, so will Zen and all the soft-forks. In the meantime, your browsing experience will degrade as more websites and online services, stop supporting Firefox / Gecko. We've already seen this with government websites, such as America's Tax-Office (the IRS), which stop working for Firefox users during tax time (it's fixed now).

@Linux I agree. Though Gecko and thus Zen is the one with MV2 which I do use for other things than adblockers (haven’t been able to find a good redirector extension in Chrome) so… yeah. If anything, Vivaldi and Zen are part of my arsenal for now. Slightly related, there was a post from a Mozilla employee saying these forks were nothing more than about:config changes that leech off of Mozilla’s hard work and I hope he’s given Zen a try because it is much more than that.

And yeah I’ve actually experienced Firefox’s degradation first hand. Tried to buy something via PayPal, and the payment never went through in Firefox. PayPal doesn’t really break on adblockers so it’s most certainly a Firefox issue, and at that point I can’t have something break on me while handling my money and personal information. Bought the thing on Vivaldi and it was smooth sailing.

@Flaky@furry.engineer LibreWolf was the worst. The LibreWolf development would break something, causing an issue that was exclusive to only LibreWolf, and then blame the Firefox development. I always felt like it was comparable to a snake, eating its own tail.

Zen is actually a fork of a fork. It starts with Firefox, which is forked by Floorp, and then forked by Zen. Looking at their documentation, it looks like they're moving away from Floorp's base, which should add some stability and make it easier to develop. I am a big believer that having too much upstream is a bad idea. So it's good to see that they're changing (or have changed since I last looked into them).

Still, as you noted, the Firefox / Gecko experience will only further get worse going forward. I experienced the same thing with Netscape, years ago, when they too slowly faded into obscurity.

@Linux Huh, did not know that about Zen. There was a bit of a clash when Floorp was found to have taken Zen's tiling, but didn't know Zen descended from Floorp.

I think my biggest issue, above all else, is how Mozilla's fans and even at times employees brush every questionable decision the company makes and attacks/gaslights people who do question it. Like, you can disable all the AI crap, but is this really a worthy investment when Firefox's userbase is dwindling and the remaining people don't want it?

In contrast, any concerns I have about Vivaldi, the CEO is there to give an honest take and the fans tend to be chill too. I've not had an issue with anyone on Vivaldi Social while I've butted heads with many a Firefox fan... even while using Firefox. :P

@Flaky@furry.engineer OMG, yes!

I've said it point-blank, to be blunt, and it's upset a few Firefox users, but the reality is there is no more reason to use Firefox / Gecko.

Better ad blocking? -- Mozilla is an advertising company, which now bundles spyware designed to be enabled by default to monitor ad performance even if you have an ad blocker. Furthermore, they recently gave the uBlock developer a hard time, and uBlock Origin Lite, is never coming back to Firefox. The uBlock developer has expressed the difficulty of maintaining multiple editions, and knows most users use chromium type browsers, anyway.

Better privacy? -- As established, Mozilla now spies on their users, but also has incorporated every possible AI out there, some of which I didn't even know exist until recently. Even when disabled, Firefox browser calls out as if it were a lost child wanting their mother. Mozilla is working closely now with both Facebook and Google.

Better browsing? -- With virtually no market share, even government websites are starting to break in Firefox. They're ranked lower than Apple Safari, which is exclusive to only Apple users in mostly 1st world countries. Being 4th place means, you're not a priority for web developers.

But as you said, Vivaldi actually listens to their users. The CEO is here on the Fediverse, and often engages with people, as opposes to Mozilla who acts like some sort of shadow organization.

My big laugh is how some of those Firefox users will argue about Firefox being open source. Which, clearly, does not guarantee something is better, and no one has hard-forked Firefox in years. The last development to try was WaterFox, and they gave up. Gecko is not easy to develop around, which is why even when Firefox was the leading web browser, few attempted to do so. By comparison, Chromium / Blink is so adaptable and easy to develop around, I've lost count of how many forks there are. And certainly, Vivaldi has done much with it too.

@Linux @Flaky im just curious before moving to vivaldi, brave or ungoogled chromium, how do i use hardware acceleration on linux, so my laptop can live longer than 3 hours while using it? I couldn't make it work no matter how hard I tried with all the things in flatseal, warehouse, vaapi etc.

@alihan_banan@mastodon.world @Flaky@furry.engineer

Honestly, I am using Fedora KDE Plasma Atomic Desktop and Vivaldi as a Flatpak, which means it is in a container, and I don't experience any issues.

I honestly, don't know what is causing your issue. Perhaps your system uses different hardware than mine or its power settings are not optimized.

@Linux I think the only "hard fork" of Firefox I know of is Pale Moon. They're doing okay but they have to play catchup with web standards (or reject them outright). I wish them the best either way, it's fun to indulge in the nostalgia there, hehe.

And yeah, I've had to repeat myself on the points you say. I was told not to mischaracterise the uBO fiasco by squints an ex-moderator on r/Firefox. Dude was also trying to say me trusting the dev's opinion of AMO was "outsourcing my mind thinking" - I should've told him to fuck off right there and then.

While Hill might prefer Firefox, the fact that he had this debacle, combined with PPA and their venture into AI, and seeing one of their employees get salty at the forks, is a concerning set of behaviours.

@Flaky@furry.engineer

r/Firefox - The subreddit on Reddit was always moderated by a troll.

If you check my post history, I used to be a very big Firefox supporter. I even was the person who developed that script, "Firefox Automatic Install for Linux" so that a newbie could install a fresh build of Firefox with shortcuts (not rely on the tweaked or modified rebuilds that some Linux distros have). But that moderator disliked my script and anything I ever said encouraging people to use, Firefox.

They also liked to re-write history. I proved them wrong, because I linked back to a post Mozilla, themselves, had said, that disagreed with what the moderator was saying, and got suspended for "being a smart ass". And if you ever criticized Mozilla or Firefox, with a valid point, they took that personal too.

In the end, I sort of started trolling that subreddit just for the lulz, because the moderator was just so easy to set off.

@Linux And yeaaah. I don't get the obsession with Vivaldi not being FOSS. They're doing what they can to make a good browser while staying afloat.

And I hate to say it, but most people "leech" off of FOSS without paying a dime, including the people who champion FOSS. Not saying you have to pay for everything, but the Mozilla lot being aggressive about Vivaldi not being FOSS while not likely paying Mozilla, et al. rubs me the wrong way.

I'm a "path of least resistance" sort of guy. I will try to use the best thing possible (which does explain why I may still use Firefox, et al) unless something tips me over (recent events surrounding Mozilla have done that). There are times when that path is difficult to find though, I won't lie. 😆

@Flaky@furry.engineer I am someone who will occasionally contribute to a FOSS development. Either I'll help find bugs or even debug code, but I am also someone who will occasionally contribute financially. Mozilla was one of the organization which I used to contribute toward regularly.

What did it get me or anyone else? A so-called non-profit, managed by a for-profit organization, that ultimately became everything they said they were fighting against.

This is not to imply, I think it is a bad idea to help through productivity or through sponsorship, when able. But rather, my point being, that doing so unfortunately does not always guarantee positive results.

I recommend good software, and sometimes that is open source, sometimes that is closed source, and sometimes that is paid developments. I may prefer free and open source software, but I do not limit myself simply based on someone else's principles, nor would I want to limit others. GNU is a good example of gatekeepers, who held back, Linux, for example, for a long time all because of their so-called principles.

@Linux @Flaky try some hardware monitoring app, like resources to check video decoder activity. Only firefox based browsers use vaapi and hardware decoder for vp8, vp9, av1 videos on youtube and wherever else. It's kinda sad(

@alihan_banan@mastodon.world @Flaky@furry.engineer

Again, I have no such problem. I'm also not concerned what codecs they use, so long as they work. That said, I watch Apple TV, Netflix, Disney Plus, Hulu, Paramount Plus, HBO Max, Showtime, Starz, Crunchyroll, and occasionally, YouTube without issue.

@Linux

@Flaky
The official EU websites like EU academy also did.
In the meaning of representing everbody that's a bad sign for democracy.

I understand your point @Linux, but this means giving websites habit and form alone to the decision of alphabets Google as MS Edge also forks Chromium.

Thanks @EU_Commission
@europarl_en
@mozilla

@developsman@corteximplant.net

Sometimes we're just along for the ride and our single choice alone is not enough. The world made a choice, and that choices was Blink / Chromium, for better or for worse. We have to live with that now, since worldwide, Mozilla Firefox is not even a mainstream browser anymore (see screenshot). Except for Germany, which is the remaining country still holding on at 13%, but that still means the other 87% moved on.




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